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	<title>Comments on: yet another ark quest: randall price, liberty university, and pseudo-scientific religious fundamentalism</title>
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	<description>the official blog of the ever searching soul, Dr. Robert R. Cargill, Assistant Professor of Classics and Religious Studies at The University of Iowa</description>
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		<title>By: bobcargill</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2009/02/10/yet-another-ark-quest-randall-price-liberty-university-and-pseudo-scientific-religious-fundamentalism/#comment-17282</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m approving this just so people can see what i&#039;m talking about when i say that this kind of nonsense comes around every spring. -bc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m approving this just so people can see what i&#8217;m talking about when i say that this kind of nonsense comes around every spring. -bc</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Quinn (@kquinn856)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Quinn (@kquinn856)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christ Crucifixion site and the Ark of the Covenant found burred under a trash pile in Jerusalem.
http://arkofthecovenant2.blogspot.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ Crucifixion site and the Ark of the Covenant found burred under a trash pile in Jerusalem.<br />
<a href="http://arkofthecovenant2.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://arkofthecovenant2.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 23:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruby, don&#039;t take your love to town.  It wasn&#039;t Bob who started that old crazy asian war.  But he was proud to do his academic chore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruby, don&#8217;t take your love to town.  It wasn&#8217;t Bob who started that old crazy asian war.  But he was proud to do his academic chore.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruby Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruby Peters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 20:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr Cargill,
I have read your blogs and after reading them my heart is full of sadness for you,  a man I dont even know. I am not writing about my oppinion on the Noah&#039;s ark issue but, your contempt for God. I will not try to tell you anything but my own personal experience with the  real and true God.  When my husband and I came here to Lynchburg from San Diego California we were as far from &quot;Christian&quot; as one could be. As a matter of fact my husband talked of opening  a strip club in the area just to tick the &quot;Christians&quot; off.  We thought we were so much more intelligent than these stupid people who didnt have a thought in their own heads. Conformists we called them. I was raised in a church and knew of the lies men told with tears in their eyes.....it made me sick.  My mom and a few others in my life were good and honest people who believed in God but because of all the lies I had witnessed in our church growing up I didnt want to be a part of that mess. Our life went on and there were times when I felt like maybe I was wrong and that there was a God out there. I would push it away because of my husbands total nonbelief.  Finally our life had spun out of control. We were on the verge of divorce and bankrupsy.........it wasnt pretty. I decided to try it my moms way and I said a prayer. I asked if you are real God help me and my husband find you. Something I knew would not happen because my husband would NEVER be a Christian.  My husband and I went to a regular baptist church where he sat in the back playing tick tac toe and hating every minute of it.  He wanted to keep our family together so he agreed to sit in church. We were invited to a friends church and I wanted to try it. I can tell you I found God there. My husband too. When you have an encounter with the one true God you know it. It is undeniable. I know at this point you are rolling your eyes or ready to stop reading but I just felt compelled to tell you my story. Since feeling God that day for the first time we have changed soo much. For one my husband could no longer deny God was real and was being lead to do things I would never have expected. We have had sooooo many prayers answered. Things that would blow your mind. Literally just incredible things. One example is soon after we started going to our church my husband was hurt at work and lost part of his finger. We were in big trouble financially because he was the only one working and we have 4 kids. Things were getting bad and I was too proud to tell anyone our troubles. I said a prayer and told God I needed $1,000 dollars to make it through the month. Never really expecting anything but hoping that God wasnt too busy to hear me.  The following day a man we had only met a few Sundays calls my husband to invite him to a mens breakfast and tells me God has had us on his heart and that my husband needed to come to breakfast.  My husband took what little money we had and went to breakfast and came home with a check for $1,000 dollars. The man had written it out AT HOME with what God told him to give. NO ONE KNEW our situation but us and God!!!!! The church knew my husband had an accident but I continued to tell them we were fine and didnt need anything.  If there is no God how did this man know the exact amount we needed and further more why would a man who hardly knew us GIVE us $1,000????!!!!   I dont even have family who would GIVE me that much money.  I have many other stories of the same. God stories.  Real honest realities of how God leads people like myself and others to &quot;pay for things&quot; as you laughed about.  I know there are people out there who try to guilt trip people into paying for their agendas but, there are also those of us who know what it feels like to hear God&#039;s prompts to give. That giving is our response to a very real God.  I know there are alot of people out there claiming to be Christians walking around acting like fools.  I want you to know that you cant look at what men are doing. If you have ever read the bible it warns of people who claim to know God but really have no idea what its all about.  I just know I have prayed specific prayers and they were each answered in very specific ways. I used to believe in coincidence but not anymore. I do not see myself as any more special than anyone else in this world. I just now know that there is a real God who loves me and who I want to live for. I want to be real and honest and follow the example left for me in the bible. God is real even if you and others like you dont believe. Our world and surrounding universe is too beautiful and complex to have been ANYTHING other than the work of the creator.  You can make fun of my education,spelling ability, situation, looks or life in general  and thats fine but this is one individual who knows...........really knows with all my heart that God is real. 
Ruby]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Cargill,<br />
I have read your blogs and after reading them my heart is full of sadness for you,  a man I dont even know. I am not writing about my oppinion on the Noah&#8217;s ark issue but, your contempt for God. I will not try to tell you anything but my own personal experience with the  real and true God.  When my husband and I came here to Lynchburg from San Diego California we were as far from &#8220;Christian&#8221; as one could be. As a matter of fact my husband talked of opening  a strip club in the area just to tick the &#8220;Christians&#8221; off.  We thought we were so much more intelligent than these stupid people who didnt have a thought in their own heads. Conformists we called them. I was raised in a church and knew of the lies men told with tears in their eyes&#8230;..it made me sick.  My mom and a few others in my life were good and honest people who believed in God but because of all the lies I had witnessed in our church growing up I didnt want to be a part of that mess. Our life went on and there were times when I felt like maybe I was wrong and that there was a God out there. I would push it away because of my husbands total nonbelief.  Finally our life had spun out of control. We were on the verge of divorce and bankrupsy&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;it wasnt pretty. I decided to try it my moms way and I said a prayer. I asked if you are real God help me and my husband find you. Something I knew would not happen because my husband would NEVER be a Christian.  My husband and I went to a regular baptist church where he sat in the back playing tick tac toe and hating every minute of it.  He wanted to keep our family together so he agreed to sit in church. We were invited to a friends church and I wanted to try it. I can tell you I found God there. My husband too. When you have an encounter with the one true God you know it. It is undeniable. I know at this point you are rolling your eyes or ready to stop reading but I just felt compelled to tell you my story. Since feeling God that day for the first time we have changed soo much. For one my husband could no longer deny God was real and was being lead to do things I would never have expected. We have had sooooo many prayers answered. Things that would blow your mind. Literally just incredible things. One example is soon after we started going to our church my husband was hurt at work and lost part of his finger. We were in big trouble financially because he was the only one working and we have 4 kids. Things were getting bad and I was too proud to tell anyone our troubles. I said a prayer and told God I needed $1,000 dollars to make it through the month. Never really expecting anything but hoping that God wasnt too busy to hear me.  The following day a man we had only met a few Sundays calls my husband to invite him to a mens breakfast and tells me God has had us on his heart and that my husband needed to come to breakfast.  My husband took what little money we had and went to breakfast and came home with a check for $1,000 dollars. The man had written it out AT HOME with what God told him to give. NO ONE KNEW our situation but us and God!!!!! The church knew my husband had an accident but I continued to tell them we were fine and didnt need anything.  If there is no God how did this man know the exact amount we needed and further more why would a man who hardly knew us GIVE us $1,000????!!!!   I dont even have family who would GIVE me that much money.  I have many other stories of the same. God stories.  Real honest realities of how God leads people like myself and others to &#8220;pay for things&#8221; as you laughed about.  I know there are people out there who try to guilt trip people into paying for their agendas but, there are also those of us who know what it feels like to hear God&#8217;s prompts to give. That giving is our response to a very real God.  I know there are alot of people out there claiming to be Christians walking around acting like fools.  I want you to know that you cant look at what men are doing. If you have ever read the bible it warns of people who claim to know God but really have no idea what its all about.  I just know I have prayed specific prayers and they were each answered in very specific ways. I used to believe in coincidence but not anymore. I do not see myself as any more special than anyone else in this world. I just now know that there is a real God who loves me and who I want to live for. I want to be real and honest and follow the example left for me in the bible. God is real even if you and others like you dont believe. Our world and surrounding universe is too beautiful and complex to have been ANYTHING other than the work of the creator.  You can make fun of my education,spelling ability, situation, looks or life in general  and thats fine but this is one individual who knows&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..really knows with all my heart that God is real.<br />
Ruby</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 19:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the news surfaced in passing over at Internet Monk, one of the commenters remarked that &quot;Liberty University&#039;s last contribution to science was Outing Tinky Winky and Spongebob.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the news surfaced in passing over at Internet Monk, one of the commenters remarked that &#8220;Liberty University&#8217;s last contribution to science was Outing Tinky Winky and Spongebob.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: no, no you didn’t find noah’s ark &#171; The Official Blog of Dr. Robert R. Cargill</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2009/02/10/yet-another-ark-quest-randall-price-liberty-university-and-pseudo-scientific-religious-fundamentalism/#comment-1373</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 06:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] quickly posted responses to the initial story. and hats off to randall price, whom i previously ripped in this very space, for admitting his mistake and exposing this nonsense. you did the right thing [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quickly posted responses to the initial story. and hats off to randall price, whom i previously ripped in this very space, for admitting his mistake and exposing this nonsense. you did the right thing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ship of Fools: The Price of Stupidity &#171; Bartholomew&#8217;s Notes on Religion</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2009/02/10/yet-another-ark-quest-randall-price-liberty-university-and-pseudo-scientific-religious-fundamentalism/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ship of Fools: The Price of Stupidity &#171; Bartholomew&#8217;s Notes on Religion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Robert Cargill wrote a scathing assessment of Price&#8217;s plan and his motivations in a blog post at the time. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Robert Cargill wrote a scathing assessment of Price&#8217;s plan and his motivations in a blog post at the time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Price</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2009/02/10/yet-another-ark-quest-randall-price-liberty-university-and-pseudo-scientific-religious-fundamentalism/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randall Price]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Dr. Cargill:

I have read the blogs by yourself and Dr. Cline and would like to clarify for the record that the Arch Search LLC expedition was not seeking national publicity or funds when its planned work was announced in the Fox News piece. The original story was given to a local reporter for a local paper  as part of an interview concerning the archaeological field work of our newly instituted program in field archaeology. The focus of the interview was to have been on our university&#039;s recent (December 2008) excavation on the Qumran Plateau which I have been directing for the past six seasons. This excavation is working with both the Hebrew University and the University of Haifa to analyze the animal bone deposits unearthed on the southern plateau. If you read the original article published in the Lynchburg News &amp; Advance you will see this inclusion (omitted by the Fox News report). The interviewer learned of my survey of the site on Mt. Ararat this past October and hoping to raise from the local community some funds for the planned summer excavation I gave them some of the material. I did not approve of the paper&#039;s focus on the Noah&#039;s Ark expedition and its spread to national exposure. I have repeatedly declined any and all request for interviews from the media on this subject, even though they offered the means to raise needed excavation funds. I felt it was appropriate to raise funds from our local community in which Liberty University functions for the benefit of the community. Liberty University is a major employer in Lynchburg with 12,000 resident students and 30,000 distant learning students and contains a law school, business school, nursing program, aviation school, and fully accredited master&#039;s and doctoral academic programs.  

Again, for the record, I was invited as an archaeologist  by Richard Bright (the leader of the expedition) to access the site of the expedition when I was in Turkey to present a paper to a scholarly symposium in Dogubeyazit. As a result of going to the site, interviewing the Kurdish shepherd, and researching the history of prior exploration in this area, including satellite remote sensing, I agreed to conduct an archaeological excavation at the site, including the use of side-scanning radar. I do believe that this site offers the best possibility among sites previously researched for an archaeological excavation.

The claim &quot;there will be a discovery&quot; was made by Richard Bright (the expedition leader) who I referred to the original reporter as a source in the local interview. Even though I do believe in the historicity of the Genesis account and that Noah&#039;s Ark possibly may exist, and think that traditional Mt. Ararat is a good candidate in the region of ancient Urartu (&quot;mountains of Ararat&quot; in Gen. 8:7), I do not make any claims as to what is there or may be discovered. Based on my assessment of the site and the shepherd&#039;s claim I believe it is scientifically responsible to conduct an archaeological excavation  to prove or disprove this claim and that it is no more unreasonable to seek dig funds for this site than for any other. The intention of the expedition is to investigate through proper scientific means the site, recover any samples and subject them to laboratory analysis and write an article on the finds in a peer-review journal. If a discovery is made that can be objectively verified then a release to the media will be made.

If the objection to this work is based on the interpretation that the Genesis account of the Flood and Noah&#039;s Ark is allegory or based on an ancient local myth, then let that be the stated reason. It is not pseudoarchaeology when an organized archaeological work is being done at a site connected with a documentary account, unless one believes the account to be fiction and then can denigrate the one conducting the work as a fundamentalist. 

Sincerely,

Randall Price, Ph.D.
Executive Director
Center for Judaic Studies
Liberty University]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Cargill:</p>
<p>I have read the blogs by yourself and Dr. Cline and would like to clarify for the record that the Arch Search LLC expedition was not seeking national publicity or funds when its planned work was announced in the Fox News piece. The original story was given to a local reporter for a local paper  as part of an interview concerning the archaeological field work of our newly instituted program in field archaeology. The focus of the interview was to have been on our university&#8217;s recent (December 2008) excavation on the Qumran Plateau which I have been directing for the past six seasons. This excavation is working with both the Hebrew University and the University of Haifa to analyze the animal bone deposits unearthed on the southern plateau. If you read the original article published in the Lynchburg News &amp; Advance you will see this inclusion (omitted by the Fox News report). The interviewer learned of my survey of the site on Mt. Ararat this past October and hoping to raise from the local community some funds for the planned summer excavation I gave them some of the material. I did not approve of the paper&#8217;s focus on the Noah&#8217;s Ark expedition and its spread to national exposure. I have repeatedly declined any and all request for interviews from the media on this subject, even though they offered the means to raise needed excavation funds. I felt it was appropriate to raise funds from our local community in which Liberty University functions for the benefit of the community. Liberty University is a major employer in Lynchburg with 12,000 resident students and 30,000 distant learning students and contains a law school, business school, nursing program, aviation school, and fully accredited master&#8217;s and doctoral academic programs.  </p>
<p>Again, for the record, I was invited as an archaeologist  by Richard Bright (the leader of the expedition) to access the site of the expedition when I was in Turkey to present a paper to a scholarly symposium in Dogubeyazit. As a result of going to the site, interviewing the Kurdish shepherd, and researching the history of prior exploration in this area, including satellite remote sensing, I agreed to conduct an archaeological excavation at the site, including the use of side-scanning radar. I do believe that this site offers the best possibility among sites previously researched for an archaeological excavation.</p>
<p>The claim &#8220;there will be a discovery&#8221; was made by Richard Bright (the expedition leader) who I referred to the original reporter as a source in the local interview. Even though I do believe in the historicity of the Genesis account and that Noah&#8217;s Ark possibly may exist, and think that traditional Mt. Ararat is a good candidate in the region of ancient Urartu (&#8220;mountains of Ararat&#8221; in Gen. 8:7), I do not make any claims as to what is there or may be discovered. Based on my assessment of the site and the shepherd&#8217;s claim I believe it is scientifically responsible to conduct an archaeological excavation  to prove or disprove this claim and that it is no more unreasonable to seek dig funds for this site than for any other. The intention of the expedition is to investigate through proper scientific means the site, recover any samples and subject them to laboratory analysis and write an article on the finds in a peer-review journal. If a discovery is made that can be objectively verified then a release to the media will be made.</p>
<p>If the objection to this work is based on the interpretation that the Genesis account of the Flood and Noah&#8217;s Ark is allegory or based on an ancient local myth, then let that be the stated reason. It is not pseudoarchaeology when an organized archaeological work is being done at a site connected with a documentary account, unless one believes the account to be fiction and then can denigrate the one conducting the work as a fundamentalist. </p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Randall Price, Ph.D.<br />
Executive Director<br />
Center for Judaic Studies<br />
Liberty University</p>
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		<title>By: bobcargill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobcargill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[eric cline has posted a very good article dealing with this issue on the asor blog. read it here: http://asorblog.org/?p=84]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eric cline has posted a very good article dealing with this issue on the asor blog. read it here: <a href="http://asorblog.org/?p=84" rel="nofollow">http://asorblog.org/?p=84</a></p>
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