Phil Robertson: Making the Church of Christ Proud

Phil Robertson: Making the Church of Christ proudPhil Robertson: making the Church of Christ proud.

So let me get this straight (no pun intended):

One Church of Christ University, Pepperdine, has one of their law school professors, Richard Peterson, become the poster child of the “Yes on 8″ campaign to ban same-sex marriage, and then after the school tries to claim they don’t take sides on political issues, watches their law school Dean, Ken Starr, lead the legal appeal after Prop 8 was struck down by the courts…

and now…

Phil Robertson, who attends the White’s Ferry Road Church of Christ in West Monroe, LA, and whose son, Willie, attended another Church of Christ University, Harding, makes graphic comments condemning gays in God’s name.

Can we honestly say we did NOT see this coming???

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15 Responses

  1. So, what was the issue in your life that has turned you so bitter towards the Church of Christ?

  2. not bitter, just observant and honest about its past and present. i’m not defending it or apologizing for it anymore. that’s all.
    it’s a (non)denomination that still struggles with the role of women for crying out loud. the equality of gays is still so very far off. and this is in the progressive congregations.

  3. Please note that’s a different Jeff from this Jeff !

    At least outside the churches, I’m not so sure the equality is “so very far off”. For instance, this past week a state supreme court ruled in favor of gay marriage. Does that mean it’s here yet ? Well no, but I claim it’s changing rapidly, in good part because the younger folk are making themselves known.

    Regards
    j

  4. […] critique of A&E may turn out to be accurate in its predictions, and Robert Cargill’s allegations of hypocrisy are worthy of note, for example. While ultimately there is a lot of noise surrounding this cultural […]

  5. I don’t see hypocrisy in relation to Phil Robertson. Both A&E and Pepperdine are private institutions who can treat their employees in any way they see fit. If Pepperdine was hypocritical in the way they handled that issue then that’s on them but universities are big places with a lot of people with a lot of different opinions and religious beliefs.

    Individual citizens are absolutely entitled to speak their own opinion. But businesses have an equal right to respond in whatever way they see fit.

  6. So what’s the issue? Robertson said what he said. A&E did what they did. Pepperdine did what it did. All is legal. All is protected.
    So what’s the issue? There should be no issue. Right?

  7. Right.

    Apparently, this line confused me when it linked to your site. “The resulting firestorm is not surprising. Just like the Great Chicken War of 2012, once again representatives of two seemingly mutually exclusive worldviews have escalated the already simmering conflict using the weapon closest at hand: words. Some of the volleys by both sides are worthy of consideration. Matt Walsh’s critique of A&E may turn out to be accurate in its predictions, and Robert Cargill’s allegations of hypocrisy are worthy of note, for example. –

    See more at: http://www.drcone.com/2013/12/20/hypocrisy-ae-phil-robertson-and-us-lessons-to-be-learned/#sthash.saLsH7qv.dpuf:

  8. I have to say, it’s the Church of Christ’s right to define their gods and theology any way they want to. If the rest of the religions in this wide country want that right, then we have to acknowledge their rights as well. What they don’t have any right to do is try to get their opinions about what the gods like or want carved into the laws of states and the nation.

    Of course, it’s also our (read that the general populace) right to think and say that they are bonkers, but then lots of folks think some of us are bonkers too. Cool.

    As for any of the Christian denominations not living up to what some of the Christians think they should, well, that’s a Christian problem. Just don’t start setting up stakes or anything. :)

  9. Do the members of this church still teach they are the one.true.church. and unless you are their sister of brother in Christ you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I just attended my much loved older sister’s funeral and listened as her minister assured all of us that she was in Heaven, and if we shared her like faith, we would join her again. Tell me, does that mean I may never see her again, if I do not subscribe to that method of worshiping God?.

  10. Hope, what you describe was once normal for the CofC. But I think that is a minority view now. Generally, ministers are not as insulated as they once were. Before the 1990’s they did not draw from the writings of other Christians outside the fellowship and that held deviations in check, at least for awhile. However, finally that has changed and they make use of a much wider range of Christian literature. I think the rise of the evangelical Christian alternative culture with its radio stations, bookstores, broadcasting, etc. is in part responsible. So, as a result, it seems this fellowship may be characterized as middle of the road amillenial evangelical whose worship is cappella. A few other distinctives include practicing communion weekly. To me the progress of our fellowship has been glacial. I attended the CofC school, Harding U., right after Ken Star and quite a while before the Robertsons. It is my heritage and I remained because of that and had hoped that we would become much more progressive. But it did not happen. I’m more excited about Emergence, Missional and Postmodern Christianity now. It seems most people similar to me left altogether.

  11. Hope, what you describe was once normal for the CofC. But I think that is a minority view now. Generally, ministers are not as insulated as they once were. Before the 1990′s they did not draw from the writings of other Christians outside the fellowship and that held deviations in check, at least for awhile. However, finally that has changed and they make use of a much wider range of Christian literature. I think the rise of the evangelical Christian alternative culture with its radio stations, bookstores, broadcasting, etc. is in part responsible. So, as a result, it seems this fellowship may be characterized as middle of the road amillenial evangelical whose worship is cappella. A few other distinctives include practicing communion weekly. To me the progress of our fellowship has been glacial. I attended the CofC school, Harding U., right after Ken Star and quite a while before the Robertsons. It is my heritage and I remained because of that and had hoped that we would become much more progressive. But it did not happen. It seems most people similar to me left altogether.

  12. Being the one, true Church seems to have been and continues to be a major Christian playing card, possibly a leftover from their Jewish days. Jews, as you will remember, are God’s Chosen People (although one Jewish friend of mine told me he thinks God chose them to be dumped on).. Naturally, they need to hang on to that idea, because if you didn’t think that was true, you might stop giving them money and then they’d have to get real jobs. As for seeing your sister again, I don’t think it has anything to do with what your personal opinions about anything are, what is, is. Like you, my personal opinion (another phrase for belief/faith) is that our true selves are immortal and we meet, part, and meet again ad infinitum. Say hello to your sister for me when you get together again.

  13. Hope, what you describe was once normal for the CofC. But I think that is a minority view now. Generally, ministers are not as insulated as they once were. Before the 1990′s they did not draw from the writings of other Christians outside the fellowship. The two main church publications were still read and followed. That, cultural inertia and strong personalities held deviations in check, at least for awhile. However, finally that has changed and they make use of a much wider range of Christian literature. I think the rise of the evangelical Christian alternative culture with its radio stations, bookstores, broadcasting, etc. is in part responsible. So, as a result, it seems this fellowship may be characterized as middle of the road amillenial evangelical whose worship is cappella. A few other distinctives include practicing communion weekly. To me the progress of our fellowship has been glacial. I remember how much fun it was in the eighties when we could finally sing Christmas songs at Christmas. I attended the CofC school, Harding U., right after Ken Star and quite a while before the Robertsons. It is my heritage and I remained because of that and had hoped that we would become much more progressive. But it did not happen. I’m more excited about Emergence, Missional and Postmodern Christianity now. It seems most people similar to me left altogether.

  14. Sorry for triple post. Didn’t think last night’s postings went through.

  15. Here’s my prespective on the “Phil Robertson Groupies”.

    In 1986 I was stationed in Karlsruhe Germany and dating one of the great loves of

    my life. It was spring time so every other Sunday Rolf would go to his mothers home and cut the grass, and work on some furniture that he was refinishing for her. One Sunday he invited me to come along. Yep, I was certain that I’d be using that wedding tux/gown combo outfit that I carried around in the trunk.

    His mother was one of the most elegant, poised and gracious women that I have ever met. As is the custom, she prepared a lite but delicious lunch for us when we’d finished doing the yard work. After the main course came “coffee and cake time.” We were talking about the house and how long it had been in the family when Frau S. left the table and returned with 4 long file boxes filled with photos. I was enthralled, I’m a history junkie and seeing photos from the 1920’s, through to the late seventies was better than cake.

    The house had been built by her husbands parents and she and Herr S. had raised their children there as well. At some point we came upon a box of war time (WWII) photos. I was besides myself with excitement and curiosity. Frau S. loving guided me through the collection of pictures, proudly producing shots of Herr S. in his Nazi uniform as a supply clerk surrounded by members of his company. She showed me photos of familiar landmarks in Karlsruhe that had been bombed to their foundations. Particularly touching were the war-time photos of Herr S. that were just like the ones that my dad had sent my mom when he was in Vietnam. With Rolf acting as translator and my mediocre German we took a photographic trip back in time.

    Rolf and I never did have occasion to use the wedding tux that I had in my car trunk but I cherish my time with him. That spring afternoon has always remained one of my favorite memories for the following reasons:

    1. In 1942 no one would have believed that a black, gay, American, Army officer would be sitting at the dining table of a German matriarch along with her gay son-the lover to the American Army officer.

    2. Despite the millions of lives that the Nazi party took in an attempt to implement their vision of a perfect future they couldn’t prevent the beautiful and surreal moment that occurred that spring day in 1986.

    3. As horrible as WWII was the forward momentum of change could not be halted.

    I should point out that I do not intend to label Phil Robertson or his church as Nazis’. My point is that even with a political movement as ruthless, bloodthirsty and hell bent on domination as the Third Reich the inevitable social, political, moral and spiritual changes that brought me to Rolf’s mothers dinner table could not be halted.

    All things must change in time.

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