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		<title>Comment on Cherry Picking: The Fallacy of an Inconsistent Hermeneutic by S. Daniel Owens</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/26/cherry-picking-the-fallacy-of-an-inconsistent-hermeneutic/#comment-22639</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S. Daniel Owens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 22:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan, 

How do you know I lack compassion? How do you know I lack empathy? How do you know that I have an unquestioning faith? Do you know anything about me?

Unless you can answer your claims clearly you are the bigot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, </p>
<p>How do you know I lack compassion? How do you know I lack empathy? How do you know that I have an unquestioning faith? Do you know anything about me?</p>
<p>Unless you can answer your claims clearly you are the bigot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cherry Picking: The Fallacy of an Inconsistent Hermeneutic by Daniel Owens</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/26/cherry-picking-the-fallacy-of-an-inconsistent-hermeneutic/#comment-22630</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Owens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan,

How do you know so much about me? How am I guilty of trusting in bigotry of mortal men? How do you know I have unquestioning faith? Do you know someone who has bore the brunt of my forgetfulness? 

I wonder if you have asked any of the people whom I helped and still help stay clean from drugs? How about my SpEd students whom I teach? How about the prisoners that I visit? Have they told you I lack compassion and empathy? I only offer these little windows into my life because as far as I understand bigotry it has to do with holding an opinion about something or someone in spite of facts to the contrary. 

Obviously, I have areas in which I can mature in both intellectually and morally but how do you know these areas? If you can&#039;t answer these questions then it is obvious that you are the bigot since you assume your opinions are fact in face of facts to the contrary. 

Bitterness never results in obtaining the goal that it truly seeks and that is a true lesson from history.

Daniel]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan,</p>
<p>How do you know so much about me? How am I guilty of trusting in bigotry of mortal men? How do you know I have unquestioning faith? Do you know someone who has bore the brunt of my forgetfulness? </p>
<p>I wonder if you have asked any of the people whom I helped and still help stay clean from drugs? How about my SpEd students whom I teach? How about the prisoners that I visit? Have they told you I lack compassion and empathy? I only offer these little windows into my life because as far as I understand bigotry it has to do with holding an opinion about something or someone in spite of facts to the contrary. </p>
<p>Obviously, I have areas in which I can mature in both intellectually and morally but how do you know these areas? If you can&#8217;t answer these questions then it is obvious that you are the bigot since you assume your opinions are fact in face of facts to the contrary. </p>
<p>Bitterness never results in obtaining the goal that it truly seeks and that is a true lesson from history.</p>
<p>Daniel</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cherry Picking: The Fallacy of an Inconsistent Hermeneutic by Pick a Hermeneutic</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/26/cherry-picking-the-fallacy-of-an-inconsistent-hermeneutic/#comment-22625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pick a Hermeneutic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 16:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Cherry Picking: The Fallacy of an Inconsistent Hermeneutic by Susan Burns</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/26/cherry-picking-the-fallacy-of-an-inconsistent-hermeneutic/#comment-22609</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Burns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 03:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I trust in the true God who is Good. You, S. Daniel Owen, trust in the bigotry of mortal men who have done immense harm to innocent people for no reason whatsoever. I do not underestimate you as a person; you lack compassion and empathy and THAT is what makes us human. Unquestioning faith in a dogmatic world view has led to holocaust and burning times. Why must this lesson must be learned over and over and over again when the outcome is always the same? The lives that bear the brunt of your forgetfulness are the young, the weak and the innocent. I don&#039;t know who it is that you are worshiping, but it is not God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trust in the true God who is Good. You, S. Daniel Owen, trust in the bigotry of mortal men who have done immense harm to innocent people for no reason whatsoever. I do not underestimate you as a person; you lack compassion and empathy and THAT is what makes us human. Unquestioning faith in a dogmatic world view has led to holocaust and burning times. Why must this lesson must be learned over and over and over again when the outcome is always the same? The lives that bear the brunt of your forgetfulness are the young, the weak and the innocent. I don&#8217;t know who it is that you are worshiping, but it is not God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cherry Picking: The Fallacy of an Inconsistent Hermeneutic by Jordan Wilson</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/26/cherry-picking-the-fallacy-of-an-inconsistent-hermeneutic/#comment-22605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 01:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the way everything is &quot;hate speech&quot; when it doesn&#039;t match up with ones own particular beliefs. It&#039;s kind of become cliche, like playing the race card when someone doesn&#039;t have the evidence to support their case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the way everything is &#8220;hate speech&#8221; when it doesn&#8217;t match up with ones own particular beliefs. It&#8217;s kind of become cliche, like playing the race card when someone doesn&#8217;t have the evidence to support their case.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cherry Picking: The Fallacy of an Inconsistent Hermeneutic by S. Daniel Owens</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/26/cherry-picking-the-fallacy-of-an-inconsistent-hermeneutic/#comment-22602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S. Daniel Owens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 23:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan, 

The issue of being tax exempt is a fair one. I personally don&#039;t disagree with you about tax exemption. If the state no longer feels this break is in the best interest of society as a whole the it should be revoked. But to revoke it because they won&#039;t change their view point in something seems a bit extreme. 

 I do want to say, though, that I think you underestimate me as a person. I was not making an equal comparison between &quot;people&quot; but between practices that are not deemed &#039;right&#039; from the perspective of the god found in the Bible. Surely you could understand that? Your comment makes it appear as if I am a bigot for having an opinion opposite of yours. I made it clear I oppose neither homosexuality or civil unions being allowed by the government. So, please, be fair in your representation of the opposing view. Even though I am not sure what I said that you disagree with except I trust in a god and you don&#039;t. 

Thanks,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, </p>
<p>The issue of being tax exempt is a fair one. I personally don&#8217;t disagree with you about tax exemption. If the state no longer feels this break is in the best interest of society as a whole the it should be revoked. But to revoke it because they won&#8217;t change their view point in something seems a bit extreme. </p>
<p> I do want to say, though, that I think you underestimate me as a person. I was not making an equal comparison between &#8220;people&#8221; but between practices that are not deemed &#8216;right&#8217; from the perspective of the god found in the Bible. Surely you could understand that? Your comment makes it appear as if I am a bigot for having an opinion opposite of yours. I made it clear I oppose neither homosexuality or civil unions being allowed by the government. So, please, be fair in your representation of the opposing view. Even though I am not sure what I said that you disagree with except I trust in a god and you don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cherry Picking: The Fallacy of an Inconsistent Hermeneutic by Susan Burns</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/26/cherry-picking-the-fallacy-of-an-inconsistent-hermeneutic/#comment-22595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Burns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 16:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The post of S. Daniel Owen compares gay people to thiefs, drug addicts, racists, and whoremongers. This clearly rises to the level of hate speech. If we are ever to have a just society, this type of rhetoric must be eliminated. Not by forcible silencing, but by taking away the economic incentive and allowing it to die a natural death. Churches that preach bigotry should not be tax exempt.  If these Legalist sects had to pay taxes, I bet they would tone down their hate speech in a heartbeat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post of S. Daniel Owen compares gay people to thiefs, drug addicts, racists, and whoremongers. This clearly rises to the level of hate speech. If we are ever to have a just society, this type of rhetoric must be eliminated. Not by forcible silencing, but by taking away the economic incentive and allowing it to die a natural death. Churches that preach bigotry should not be tax exempt.  If these Legalist sects had to pay taxes, I bet they would tone down their hate speech in a heartbeat.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the irony of african-american support for banning same-sex marriage by bobcargill</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/09/the-irony-of-african-american-support-for-banning-same-sex-marriage/#comment-22593</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobcargill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 15:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kathy, 

You wrote:

&quot;until recently, marriage has never been defined as between two people of the same gender, and there really is no reason to change that now&quot;.

The fact is, marriage is defined as whatever a culture chooses to define it. Polygamy, exchange of goods, whatever a culture says it is, it always has been. &quot;Marriage&quot; is more of a descriptive term than a prescriptive term in that regard. 

Now &quot;Christian&quot; marriage has traditionally been between one man and one (usually quite subservient) woman, but the &quot;Christian&quot; definition of marriage should not define the rules of a secular nation of laws, which had the wisdom of establishing a system that can change the definition of certain social arrangements and entities through the legislature and protected by the courts, be it the value of a human (at one point 3/5 for some) or what constitutes a marriage. 

bc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy, </p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;until recently, marriage has never been defined as between two people of the same gender, and there really is no reason to change that now&#8221;.</p>
<p>The fact is, marriage is defined as whatever a culture chooses to define it. Polygamy, exchange of goods, whatever a culture says it is, it always has been. &#8220;Marriage&#8221; is more of a descriptive term than a prescriptive term in that regard. </p>
<p>Now &#8220;Christian&#8221; marriage has traditionally been between one man and one (usually quite subservient) woman, but the &#8220;Christian&#8221; definition of marriage should not define the rules of a secular nation of laws, which had the wisdom of establishing a system that can change the definition of certain social arrangements and entities through the legislature and protected by the courts, be it the value of a human (at one point 3/5 for some) or what constitutes a marriage. </p>
<p>bc</p>
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		<title>Comment on imagine that picture of you protesting same-sex marriage 40 years from now: YOU ARE &#8216;THOSE PEOPLE&#8217; by Jeff</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/13/imagine-that-picture-of-you-protesting-same-sex-marriage-40-years-from-now-you-are-those-people/#comment-22592</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 14:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uhhh, I didn&#039;t bring up partisan politics; though I do have several gripes with the religious right.  One is their opposition to gay rights.  I don&#039;t care all that much about their religious beliefs, I care about them wanting to legislate their beliefs into law.  

J]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhh, I didn&#8217;t bring up partisan politics; though I do have several gripes with the religious right.  One is their opposition to gay rights.  I don&#8217;t care all that much about their religious beliefs, I care about them wanting to legislate their beliefs into law.  </p>
<p>J</p>
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		<title>Comment on the irony of african-american support for banning same-sex marriage by kathy</title>
		<link>http://robertcargill.com/2012/05/09/the-irony-of-african-american-support-for-banning-same-sex-marriage/#comment-22590</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 14:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[peter n,
you make some good points.   just saying someone is &#039;born that way,&#039;  doesn&#039;t mean we endorse their behavior.  teenagers are &#039;born&#039; to lay in bed all day and watch youtube all night.     last i checked all mankind was &#039;born&#039; to sin, even cargill&#039;s sweet little boy will prove that if not already.   however why two people of the same gender can&#039;t legally marry is because that is not what marriage is, or ever was--despite arguments that marriage has at times been polygamous, adulterated, or otherwise abused by men.   until recently, marriage has never been defined as between two people of the same  gender, and there really is no reason to change that now.   anyone who thinks so on this site will be demonized as &#039;homophobic,&#039; but that is clearly a knee-jerk reaction and a misunderstanding of the word.   

susan, do you really think it is ever legal to beat or murder anyone?   and do you think that endorsing gay marriage addresses those issues?   you are probably correct that churches that preach that homosexuality is a sin will have their tax exempt status removed.  obviously you think that&#039;s a good thing.  what other litmus tests should we apply to church preaching and tax exempt status?   who will be the church doctrine police at the IRS, and whom do you trust to assess that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peter n,<br />
you make some good points.   just saying someone is &#8216;born that way,&#8217;  doesn&#8217;t mean we endorse their behavior.  teenagers are &#8216;born&#8217; to lay in bed all day and watch youtube all night.     last i checked all mankind was &#8216;born&#8217; to sin, even cargill&#8217;s sweet little boy will prove that if not already.   however why two people of the same gender can&#8217;t legally marry is because that is not what marriage is, or ever was&#8211;despite arguments that marriage has at times been polygamous, adulterated, or otherwise abused by men.   until recently, marriage has never been defined as between two people of the same  gender, and there really is no reason to change that now.   anyone who thinks so on this site will be demonized as &#8216;homophobic,&#8217; but that is clearly a knee-jerk reaction and a misunderstanding of the word.   </p>
<p>susan, do you really think it is ever legal to beat or murder anyone?   and do you think that endorsing gay marriage addresses those issues?   you are probably correct that churches that preach that homosexuality is a sin will have their tax exempt status removed.  obviously you think that&#8217;s a good thing.  what other litmus tests should we apply to church preaching and tax exempt status?   who will be the church doctrine police at the IRS, and whom do you trust to assess that?</p>
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