the latest on the search for noah’s ark

who does one root for on this one?

first, noah’s ark ministries international announced to the world via press conference that they were ‘99.9% certain’ that they had discovered noah’s ark.

many of us responded, rejecting the claims.

dr. randall price of liberty university also responded. however, since he had previously worked with nami, he had information (revealed by paleobabble’s michael heiser and the christian science monitor’s stephen kurczy) that the whole thing may have been fake.

dr. price also did an interview for fox news where he said the following:

btw, dr. paul zimansky, professor of archaeology at the state university of new york, stony brook, makes a wonderful point in his interview. he states:

it happens every year that somebody finds an ark. i don’t know of many expeditions that have gone off and failed to find an ark. but within a year, everybody’s forgotten it and they do it again. they never refer to previous discoveries.

now it appears that noah’s ark ministries international has put together a video response to the smackdown (see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here) that scholars worldwide, including randall price, have sent to the media since nami told the world they discovered the ark. nami attempts to answer the following questions:

  1. are rumors more scientific than solid evidence?
  2. did the expedition team witness and examine the wooden structure in noah’s ark?
  3. is it possible to deliver large wood beams to an elevation of 4000 meters?
  4. is the wooden structure at an elevation of 4000 meters is no more than a fake set?

these videos do little to answer the questions. but perhaps the most telling video released by the media evangelism, ltd. is one entitled do we believe in the noah’s ark or the god behind it?

in the video the speaker explicitly states that he became a christian after a previous bogus ark discovery claim (at the 3:50 mark). he goes on to state that whether or not nami‘s claim is verified in the end, as long as people come to jesus, it is worthwhile (view from the 4:25 mark). watch the video. in fact at the 5:13 mark, the speaker amazingly states:

Therefore as mature Christians, we should be accurate in speaking. When we talk about it from news or scientific aspects, we are just making use of it. The thing itself is not the truth. It is prone to change. Even today when i say that this is 90% sure to be the Ark, assume that one day the 10% rest showed that it is not to be the Ark, even then I don’t think it matters. Because what people believe is not only Noah’s Ark itself, they should believe the God who worked behind Noah’s Ark.

the speaker goes on to compare this find to the claims made about the shroud of turin, which he says brought many people to believe in jesus, even though it was later shown to be a fake. what matters to the speaker is that people believe in jesus, not whether or not the ark they claim to have found is real.

if this is not the most egregious, blatant, irresponsible misuse of archaeology to intentionally fool people into believing in christianity, then i don’t know what is. it’s just wrong.

for his part, dr. price has responded on his world of the bible ministries website. and he pulled no punches.

randall price shot back with a press release and an extensive explanation complete with email evidence – evidence that shows the collaboration between him and nami, and evidence that shows dr. price sent 60,000 euros to nami, about 2/3 of which was refunded to dr. price after he quit.

you can read it all here.

i think that as the fallout from this entire debacle continues, it will become quite clear that the entire mission was a premeditated campaign of deception intended to use something that will appeal to people – noah’s ark, and a lie at that – in an attempt to get them to convert to christianity. it is unthinkable that a group of christians would think that this is an acceptable form of evangelism, much less an acceptable form of science.

15 Responses

  1. “How far it may be proper to use falsehood
    as a medium for the benefit of those
    who require to be deceived;”

    — Eusebius Pamphilus of Caesarea, (circa 324)
    PE: Praeparatio Evangelica, Preparation for the Gospel,
    The title of Chapter 31 of Book 12.

  2. Note also that the original claim for 99.9% surety has now dropped to 90% in the newest video…

  3. All I have to say is, how could they have found Noah’s ark when I already found the authentic ark? It’s true.

  4. The pity and shame of trying to prove the existence of Noah’s ark, the Ark of the Covenant, the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin, and other artifacts is in trying to prove the existence of God.

    That’s a matter of faith and deep personal belief, not based on whether you find an artifact that was commanded to be built by God himself. It’s a round about way of proving his existence. Are the people so doubtful and have so little faith?

    Jesus said “Do not put the Lord your God to the test.” in Matthew 4:7. OK, it was in response to Satan’s temptation that Jesus throw himself from the mountain so God would save him. But it still applies. These people are looking to test God into revealing himself. I think that’s wrong to the nth degree.

  5. i think that as the fallout from this entire debacle continues, it will become quite clear that the entire mission was a premeditated campaign of deception intended to use something that will appeal to people – noah’s ark, and a lie at that – in an attempt to get them to convert to christianity. it is unthinkable that a group of christians would think that this is an acceptable form of evangelism, much less an acceptable form of science.

    As they said when Mike Warnke was exposed as a complete fraud, “BUT $OUL$ ARE BEING $AVED!!!!”

    And have you noticed that our resident Defender of the Faith Charles Allen (usually the first to comment) hasn’t made a peep on this development?

  6. Randall Price works at the site of his expedition in Turkey

    Excursion continues to find Noah’s Ark in Turkey

    The News and Advance – Lynchburg, VA
    By Dave Thompson
    Published: December 28, 2009
    Updated: December 28, 2009

    If Noah’s Ark has been sitting on a mountain somewhere in the Middle East for a few millennia, a few more months of waiting are a small price to pay, at least for Randall Price.

    Price, who heads Liberty University’s Center For Judaic Studies, talked in January about his planned two-season expedition into Turkey, with the hopes of finding the Biblical artifact. He arrived in Turkey over the summer.

    But Price said since then, he’s faced pressure from a political group in Turkey that is forcing him to keep his excursion very hush-hush.

    “There’s not a lot (regarding Noah’s Ark) that I can say,” Price said, but he went on to give some basic details of what he plans to do next August, as the expedition finishes up.

    Price said in January that he believes the Biblical boat is resting on Mount Ararat, covered by a glacier that sometimes temporarily recedes to give glimpses of what he believes is an ancient structure.

    “We did penetrate about 18 feet down into the glacier, and we have some evidence that we’re in the right place,” Price said, adding satellite data puts them about 30 feet from their goal.

    Price said he’s aware that whatever rests under the glacier might not be the jackpot he has been looking for.

    “While we’d like to think it’s Noah’s Ark, we’re not sure what it is, but it’s in the right place,” he said.

    Price said whatever there is to be discovered, it should be found when he returns in the coming summer.

    “There is negotiation between Turkish authorities and this warring faction,” he said, “and that should enable us to go back without problems next year.”

  7. SHROUD OF TURIN
    The chief scientist on the original carbon dating presented his last paper proving that the sample was taken from a repaired patch which had been burnt in a fire . It was shown on mainstream TV. He was originally a sceptic and changed his mind.

    Using all the latest techniques they are still unable
    to fake a copy of the shroud.

  8. NOAH’S ARK
    I am just waiting to see how it pans out.
    I believe there was a worldwide flood and if the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat -then there could be evidence of its remains since the wood was frozen.
    To get 20ft beams up there would be difficult ???

    But I do beleive the books of Moses as Jesus did

  9. an appearance on ‘mainstream tv’ is not evidence. it is medieval.

  10. It was a full progamme with the scientist who led the
    original dating team – he admitted that the bits of cloth that the Vatican gave him -through scientific analysis
    – were that of the repaired portion – not sure how this
    can be medieval ?

  11. I used to follow the Shroud of Turin; it’s sort-of the Catholic equivalent of Arkology. Here’s some things I remember about it:

    The Church NEVER said the Shroud WAS the burial cloth of Christ. When it surfaced in the deCharnay (?) family, they had no provenance (or “chain of evidence” tracing it back), so the Church never said it was anything other than a REPRESENTATION of the Shroud.

    And there are still weirdnesses with it. The pollen analysis seems to indicate the cloth was in the Jerusalem area and Anatolia at one time, consistent with the theory of the Mandilyon legend. Yet Carbon 14 says it dates to a bit earlier than its definite appearance. The image on it shows no brush strokes, like it’s photographic in some way. All in all, there’s still some anomalies about it.

    And, like the Noah’s Ark expedition that started this thread rolling, it got glommed onto as an attempt to PROVE the Bible Is Fact. (Though a textile artifact from the time of Christ claiming to be associated with him is more plausible than the always-just-missed hard evidence of an Ark from the glaciers of Ararat.)

  12. Actually, Ray Roger’s shroud findings were published in a peer reviewed journal. I’m not sure if links are allowed, but just in case you can find it here (if not allowed, my apologies):

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6THV-4DTBVHC-1&_user=946211&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000049007&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=946211&md5=7a372bf81a4b2a56bef468b8deb8b28a

    For me, the jury is still out, and probably always will be, but but in this instance, the carbon dating was invalid.

    Love the site, by the way!

  13. Price, who heads Liberty University’s Center For Judaic Studies, talked in January about his planned two-season expedition into Turkey, with the hopes of finding the Biblical artifact. He arrived in Turkey over the summer.

    But Price said since then, he’s faced pressure from a political group in Turkey that is forcing him to keep his excursion very hush-hush.

    I wondered when The Powerful Dark Forces (i.e. The Conspiracy Trying to Silence The One Lone Truther) were going to ring in on this one. We had proper foreshadowing when this Arkological expedition was skewered on Internet Monk months ago — an official Arkological announcement that Person or Persons (or Powerful Forces) unknown had dynamited a landslide to cover The Ark.

    It’s part of Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory — the reason there is never any hard evidence for Conspiracy Fanboy claims is because The Conspiracy’s Dark Forces Have Suppressed It.

    The Dwarfs are for The Dwarfs, and Won’t Be Taken In.

  14. NAMI’s “debunking” of the skeptics claims really aren’t very convincing. Still, I’ll need more evidence before I can make up my mind on this.
    Anyway, here’s a good article from a creationist source that’s highly critical of the find:
    http://creation.com/noahs-ark-or-what

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